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3.00@TheAllMemeingEye I am blocked by the creator of the "Good Tweet or Bad Tweet" market so I'm replying here. You posted a bell curve meme that suggested that you don't believe in identity over time. This notion, derived from the medieval skeptics such as Hume and seen earlier in pagan ideologies such as Hinduism, this kind of "process philosophy" is completely bankrupt.
That there's no identity over time at all is a universal claim which needs access to the universal state of affairs; the proposition also refutes itself as it denies the identity of its Truth value; it also denies the identity of its meaning; it also denies the identity of the knower of this truth; and etc.
@stardust my amateur layman interpretation was just that things and people are constantly changing so gradually become different new things ship of thesius style, in truth I don't understand what most of the points you've made here mean, sorry
@TheAllMemeingEye Simply, that's a different statement than "there is no object permanence. As Fr Dcn Ananias writes about the Ship of Theseus,
"ships are artifacts and so they don't really have an objective identity/essence"
But we as Orthodox Christians obviously believe in some unifying principle for, say, human beings. Namely, we believe in the immortal soul, grounding a human being's identity over time. Ultimately, at a paradigm level you need to be Christian to ground not only identity over time, but morality, knowledge, logic, and ontology. That said, for a similar reason as the Christian, the atheist must prima facie see that at least some things should have identity over time.
You would say something like if we extracted your brain and put it in a vat and put you into a robot of sorts, that it's still you, because your essence, the quality essential to your being is not your body but your conscious being, for instance. Presumably you the atheist still believe that we can refer to some "you" 5, or 10, or 15 years ago, and some hypothetical "you" 5 years in the future. Perhaps some element of that "you" is different, even drastically different, but it is maintained that there is some unitive principle. That is identity over time, otherwise a "you" doesn't exist. We as Christians would again point to the immortal soul.
Where Hinduism and paganism fail, this kind of process philosophy is that they, when applied universally, self-refute. Much in the same way that "there is no objective truth" does. Now you could say "there is no objective truth but this statement," but doesn't that just seem... weaker, ad hoc?
@StarkLN It's also pretty much the first thing you can think of when you try to imagine alternatives to FPTP. I think ultimately the best system currently in use somewhere is Ireland's STV implementation, which strikes the right balance for me between local representation and proportionality.
Here's a matter of opinion: There is such a thing as "too complicated".
@iloLisipo If the concern is being complicated, RCV is not a good solution. Especially if we're talking about the "more difficult to properly tabulate" bit. Score voting, or STAR, or Score+Runoff if you're really really scared about strategic voting is just much better.
I'm a lifelong republican from the Middle West Wisconsin Oblast and the state of Amerika politics is so sad right now. I am so disillusioned I will not be going to the voting booths in Oktober and I recommend all of my patriotic republican comrades also stay home. Together we will show the strength if not doing what they tell us to!
Glory to motherland and republic