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For the people who thought this was about the number of users who held a nonzero number of shares at close, here's a market for you:

Was resolved based on "Unique Traders", not users.

I see that this was noted previously in the comments, but still, an incorrect resolution imo

@Gen Doesn't unique traders = unique users? There are only 2 bots out of 104, so still over 100.

@Predictor "Users" on the UI refers to people with active positions, I see a clear difference between "Users" and "Traders", but I could understand the confusion.

The market was incorrectly titled, or incorrectly resolved. There really isn't a good reason to title it "users" (which on the UI refers to people with current positions) other than to confuse people (or accidentally I assume in this case)

@Gen I think you're reading into it too much.

@Predictor There were definitely more than 4 bots participating

@Gen I actually wasn't sure about this either and @Catnee told me that it is indeed the number you have when you click on the three dots now do you take their word for it?

@Simon1551 When you click the three dots it clearly says "traders", if that was the intended thing, it should have said traders in the title

I don't really care, but I still consider it incorrectly titled

@Simon1551 This is prediction in action and it gets messy.

@Gen

I understand

These markets always go by the number Manifold displays, which is 105. Seems like a correct resolution to me.

@Gen I disagree that there is a clear difference between 'users' and 'traders'. My guess is that the title of the market was derived from the 10 mana bonus for each unique user on a market, and here the creator would've got 1050 bonus mana for the 105 'traders' in the UI.

I don't see how your preferred resolution criteria would be more fitting to the title of the market - if you think it ought to be resolved based off 'users who hold positions at the time of resolution', then the title would be even more inaccurate imo.

@jonny This is irrelevant to this discussion, but just so you know, the unique trader bonuses are capped at 100 non-bot traders.

BASSEEED

Thanks

@StanPinsent are you counting bots (known at least) towards unique users?

@firstuserhere I think they shouldn't be

@firstuserhere Why is that?

@Simon1551 haha fair enough. Bots are being autonomous + trading similar to humans, so you're right, they should be counted as unique users

@Simon1551 was worth a try, the payout if resolved to yes is big enough to justify trying to induce a bit of doubt

@firstuserhere honestly if you think they shouldn't be counted as unique users regardless if they are or not you should make your case who knows maybe @StanPinsent agrees with you

@Simon1551 Alright then, worth a try. I'll present my original argument, so, @StanPinsent,what do you think?

1. Bots can place bets automatically (I'm new here but I think the acceleration bot triggers and places bets like that - for example, on this question, it filed an order even before @StanPinsent the creator did).

2. The question is about how many unique users there will participate on the market and allowing bots which trade automatically is inflating the number because whether the bot stays in the market is irrelevant to the number of users once it has made a profit for example.

@firstuserhere editing the silly typos:
2. The question is about how many unique users will participate on the market.

Allowing bots which trade automatically is going to inflate the number of unique users artificially because whether the bot placed the bet to make a profit and not to answer the question of whether the market will have 100 unique users.

@firstuserhere okay something is up with my Google keyboard autocorrect.

@firstuserhere So if due to bots betting on every single such question, there is a baseline shift of 0 users by default -> #of bots users by default at the minimum, then should those bots really be counted towards unique users? @Simon1551 @StanPinsent

@firstuserhere Lmao regardless of what you say I'll be against it even if you convinced me at this point I can't sell my position

@Simon1551 I made a quick buck and exited the market too lol.

@firstuserhere It is still an interesting question though @Simon1551

@firstuserhere It is an interesting question. If Stan goes by Manifold's prespective I think they would count because they are counted as a user right? I actually had some arguments too against my position but I rather not say for obvious reasons. But what I'm curious is can we really resolve a question based on our beliefs rather than the actual facts in this case Manifolds prespective? Or what if Manifolds prespective is wrong and they shouldn't be counted as unique users?

@firstuserhere I sold because the number of users at that point were already 104 so didnt expect the market to resolve to yes anyway regardless of bot numbers