This market will have traded >M$99,999 in volume before the end of the month.
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Volume judged by "M$xyz bet" above the graph. My last market was a huge success so we are ramping up the difficulty. If we reach the end of the month and have not gotten there resolves NO. Otherwise immediately resolves YES when I see that we have met the threshold.
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predicted NO
Something feels off about the liquidity calculation. The pool is listed as M$1081 and containing 37003 NO shares and 14 YES shares, but I can buy 37017 NO shares for M$100 right now and 14 YES shares cannot be worth more than M$14.
predicted NO
@jfjurchen only M$1081 can come out of the market, net. Because Joel's injected a ton of cash into the market buying YES though, you can buy more than the liquidity pool's worth as long as you're betting against him by buying NO. The automated market maker rebalances the pool as the probability changes.
predicted NO
Then your winnings (on a NO resolution) would come partially out of the liquidity pool and partially out of the money everyone who bet YES injected.
predicted YES
“ Joel Becker bought M$91,500 of YES 43 minutes ago”
predicted NO
@TedSuzman om nom nom nom
bought Ṁ1 of NO
@TedSuzman one of these days an untrustworthy market resolver is gonna disappoint that fellow quite a lot.
predicted NO
@MattP Yep that's why I bought 14,864 NO shares for M$1
predicted NO
Would mainfold team intervene tho? (Still seems reasonable to buy M$1)
predicted NO
@jfjurchen I'm committed to being 100% honest as a market creator so it won't be me... but ultimately that may end up being someone's solution for market manipulation by whales.
predicted NO
@GeorgeVii AFAIK the idea that the Manifold team wouldn't step in is considered by them to be more of a feature than a bug - decentralized reputation-based market resolution and all that. I could be wrong, though.
predicted NO
@MattP Yeah, I don't know their policy here
predicted NO
Also is it manipulation, when the market is underpriced? Not like it was wash trading even
predicted NO
The fee structure here seems a little weird tho. Seems like Joel paid basically 0 in fees despite being the majority of the volume. LPs got crushed.
predicted NO
@GeorgeVii nah not technically manipulation in any dishonest sense. More just that markets like this are designed such that the power is entirely in the hands of the people who have the ability to singlehandedly manipulate the answer via massive injections of mana. There's no real forecasting of value happening, just guessing about the decisions of a few individual people about whether or not they want to dump money in to extract a small amount out. I find it somewhat tiresome.
predicted NO
@GeorgeVii he was buying towards certainty, so fees go to 0. You only pay large fees when you're buying away from certainty. LPs don't make any money in current scheme, not really.
predicted NO
@MattP > nah not technically manipulation in any dishonest sense. More just that markets like this are designed such that the power is entirely in the hands of the people who have the ability to singlehandedly manipulate the answer via massive injections of mana. Not really. Anyone can wash trade if it's worth their while.
predicted NO
accurate pricing on these markets should generally be +80%* until the last few seconds, where they should tend to 0. *ofc this depending on the target volume, liquidity, how much is already bet, how much key whales have locked up in other positions etc
bought Ṁ10 of NO
Haven't seen the previous related markets, but the trend halfway through the month makes this look like easy money. Am I about to eat $10?
@EliGaultney Check out the previous markets. I lost $M 600 applying that logic to the first such market. (at 25% the volume goal, mind you)
predicted NO
@MichaelWheatley Only other one I saw was 1/3 the volume. We shall see!
predicted YES
$100 more of liquidity was added.
predicted YES
Looks like $250 of liquidity was added to this question!
@SneakySly It is so much more fun when the liquidity allows you to actively trade the market!!!
bought Ṁ50 of YES
@SneakySly It even allows me to withdraw it!!!
predicted YES
@BTE Awesome!