If by January 6th you mean people entering the capitol, then probably not (realistically they couldn't have achieved anything) but it definitely is an insurrection or something similar. What Trump and his lawyers were doing (e.g. calling Mike Pence) definitely fell solidly into attempted coup territory.

@jBosc I mean the whole thing, including the bombs and attempt to get Pence to disqualify states, etc.

@Snarflak I mean maybe if you consider the whole thing together as one event then I agree. It's just that a lot of ppl say the January 6th stuff without mentioning what Trump was doing; maybe I'm just grasping at straws but I think the really bad part of that day was him and his team trying to overturn the election, rather than just the people storming the capitol.

@jBosc I don't see them as independent events, I guess.

Anyone voting "No" want to explain why?

@Snarflak I’m curious too. In some ways maybe a successful coup or a not completely failed coup. But what more would need to happen here to make it not just a sore loser riling up a crowd etc etc etc but an attempt to hang onto power after being voted out?

@Snarflak I think it was too poorly organized. After they broke into the Capitol, 90% of the rioters had no idea what to do next.

@TimothyJohnson5c16 They obviously didn’t read “Coup D’Etat: A Practical Handbook”

@TimothyJohnson5c16 Does "poorly organized coup attempt" not count as "coup attempt"? Weren't they counting on Pence to disqualify votes and for most of the Capitol Police to be on their side? (And possibly for the bombs to go off and divert the police?)

@TimothyJohnson5c16 Pretty sure “coup attempt including stochastic elements” counts as a coup attempt. Unorganized enthusiasts got swept in but the plan, which is documented, was to create useful chaos.

The crowd that turned out to greet Lenin at Finland Station in the spring wasn’t super organized either.

@ClubmasterTransparent I realize it's fuzzy, but I think it depends on what the percentages are.

@TimothyJohnson5c16 I think I get your point better now. Just trying to establish common ground, not cause a pie fight. Sounds to me like you understand the question as something like “were the people in the rowdy crowd trying to break the country.” A lot of them weren’t, I hope we agree there!

@ClubmasterTransparent Yeah, I think our disagreement might be more about the semantics. Regardless of whether we call it an attempted coup, we're very lucky that there wasn't a much worse outcome.