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Why use the word exact if we are just going to say that it's close enough? You even listed an alternate phrase that would be acceptable, yet resolved contrary. I guess you can just make up whatever reason you like to resolve however you like but at the end of the day you asked for an exact phrase that did not occur no matter what excuse you can conjure.

I am resolving this YES despite the lack of an audible "the". Relevant factors include the tendency of the word "the" to be reduced in spoken American English, and the fact that Sanskrit (the original language) has no articles (if Google is to be believed).

@DanielGlasscock the movie kind of makes fun of this itself, in a scene where they discuss the correct translation of Property/Ownership from german.

@DanielGlasscock how on earth did Sanskrit grammar suddenly become part of the resolution criteria? The question asked for an exact English phrase.

Ha. I think this should have N/Ad at best, and would have defended a NO resolution. I think there's a good argument this was misresolved. But I won't personally push it - my remaining 20 mana NO bet was calculated knowing this was a possibility.

lol. Never again

Exact.

@Lorxus It is the exact phrase, even if it's not the exact wording. Going to be very disappointed if this doesn't resolve YES.

@SG this is the first time I see manifold admins pushing their weight around so strongly. Is this a new policy? If so do you mind reviewing similar situations from the past where exact wording clauses were interpreted in the opposite way. For example https://manifold.markets/itsTomekK/february-2023-will-president-biden?r=T2RvYWNyZQ

February 2023: Will President Biden talk about UFOs?

Resolved NO. This market will resolve to YES, if in February 2023 President Biden mentions: “UFO”, “UAP”, “unidentified flying object”, “unidentified aerial phenomenon”, or “aliens”, in one of his official statements (press conference, event remarks etc.) as transcribed at https://www.whitehou…

@Odoacre I am not weighing in here as a Manifold admin; this is just my personal opinion.

This resolves yes. Saw the movie last night.

@SG Having also seen the movie last night, I disagree with the unambiguity for reasons discussed below. If the market resolves according to a strict interpretation of the resolution criteria, it should resolve negatively. Of course there's always room to debate the sprit of the market.

@SG I saw it last night too and can confirm he did not say "the"

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I am not risking this, got burned by similar things too many times 😄

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15398776/quotes/

Oppenheimer (2023) - Quotes - IMDb

Oppenheimer: Directed by Christopher Nolan. With Cillian Murphy, Emily Blunt, Robert Downey Jr., Alden Ehrenreich. The story of American scientist J. Robert Oppenheimer and his role in the development of the atomic bomb.

he says it twice, even

@Tripping Why you selling then?

@chrisjbillington eh, it's pretty normal to cash in on winnings and leave the last few % on the table when you need liquidity in other markets. I do that kind of move all the time.

@VitorBosshard true, but @Tripping has 35k liquid mana

@chrisjbillington just in case the market maker resovles weirdly

@Tripping While I think the market should resolve positively, technically (so far as I could tell) he does not say the exact phrase in the movie. He omits "the", the exact quote in the movie being: "Now I am become death, destroyer of worlds."

@ReidJohnson dropped 25 mana on that technicality, fingers crossed 🤣

@ReidJohnson woah, really? That's not a technicality; that's market-flipping revelations imo! The title says "exact". You don't just throw around that sort of language!

@Fion Yeah I'm in favour of "spirit of the resolution criteria, not letter", but exactness seems to be part of the spirit here

I guess it's pretty stupid that everyone agrees what the facts are and now we're just betting on how the person is going to interpret their own question.

I'm likely going to take a massive loss here.

@KevinBurke

@KevinBurke I don't know if I trust Reid over IMDb's quotes page, necessarily. If I was the resolver I'd download a camrip so I could listen to the lines several times to be sure.

@Adam Absolutely, the market creator should resolve this based on a first-hand account. I'll note that the current quote on the IMDb quotes page comes from a trailer. It's not clear to me what trailer this is referencing, but I suspect it's one that uses an overlay of real audio which is not used in the movie, hence the discrepancy.

Also, a sleuthy individual may be able to find the relevant clip(s) on Twitter...