Put together another poll trying to dial down features.

https://manifold.markets/PatrickDelaney/if-you-had-to-pick-what-criterium-w#

If You Had to Pick, What Criterium Would Most Likely Make a Prediction Markets Platform, "Better" Than Manifold.Markets?

Re, this market: https://manifold.markets/Conflux/what-as-good-as-manifold-will-btes [link preview]Other related polls which may or may not be relevant to deciding criterium above: [markets]

Hm. Not an encouraging poll result for me

@evergreenemily Can you tell me more about your reasoning? Seems obvious but I don't want to assume.

@PatrickDelaney Primarily, it's:

This includes allowing people to speak from a place of either willful or malignant ignorance, or bad faith actors, even if it may injure me personally

I think allowing willful ignorance and bad faith actors makes discussions toxic and actually inhibits the free and open exchange of ideas as a result. The overall quality of the average comment section decreases significantly if there's no punishment for name-calling, slinging slurs around, willfully misinterpreting others' arguments, etc. The accuracy of prediction markets decreases if people are allowed to create willfully ignorant or malevolent markets without consequences.

In addition, you end up with limited perspectives. Marginalized people are less likely to feel comfortable using a website if they know they could get called slurs in the comments section, or otherwise face an openly hostile environment. IMO, Manifold is actually striking a good balance currently - very few discussions are off-limits, but bad-faith actors and people who spout needlessly hateful BS aren't tolerated.

You can also run into the Nazi bar problem if you don't address bad behavior in comments sections early & forcefully. Users who aren't bigots will be driven away, since the constant exposure to bigotry is some mixture of irritating, exhausting, and hurtful, and as a result you end up with an echo chamber of hatred and misinformation.

tl;dr The solution to the "paradox of tolerance" is to not tolerate intolerance; not allowing intolerance results in a genuinely more open, honest, and good-faith discussion of ideas.

@PatrickDelaney I typed up a huge response to this and I swear to God if Manifold just ate it without posting it

edit: NVM manifold is just being slow

@evergreenemily Karl Popper!

@evergreenemily Not sure if this offers any consolation?

I am personally very in favor of building multi-polar societies. That being said I also have some personal friends who I believe harbor thinking patterns that are intolerant (although they don't think it to be intolerant (read: slightly fascist in a way, unbeknownst to them), yet they think I'm the intolerant one ... I think this is a common pattern in just human thinking, as fascism and intolerance is kind of at the base level of our brains. It takes a huge amount of effort and energy to even learn how you might be being intolerant and admit that to yourself, or especially to others.

That being said for the purpose of this polling exercise, I'm suspending my disbelief and just pretending that no one could intentionally be an extreme whatever on here for now, and just taking their advice at face value, as though they are friends, and go with that. Because honestly I have no idea how to solve the paradox of tolerance problem and it could be that you have to set the Nazi bar at 0.01% (no iron crosses) or even at 0.00001% (no speaking German allowed), but the second option seems ridiculous, but maybe it's contextual, like...there are a bunch of German-speaking Nazi's in the town because you're in Paraguay?

Anyway, yeah, it's a really tough problem, I have no idea how to solve it.

https://manifold.markets/PatrickDelaney/prediction-markets-poll-what-does-f

Prediction Markets Poll: What Does, "Freedom of Thought is Paramount," In the Context of Prediction Markets Mean to You?

Referring to the below Poll (and associated market, if interested): What does freedom of thought mean to you? I know that the above five options may not cover your full view. Please pick the one that most closely describes your viewpoint. Please comment below if you would like to give a caveat or can't agree with any of the options. [markets]